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	<description>Quit goddamn fucking up.</description>
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		<title>By: Ico</title>
		<link>http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/update/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>Ico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BA--sorry, I have not checked comments here in so long!  Ack!  The pictures are still in?  Oh lord...  

I need to add an update.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BA&#8211;sorry, I have not checked comments here in so long!  Ack!  The pictures are still in?  Oh lord&#8230;  </p>
<p>I need to add an update.</p>
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		<title>By: Ico</title>
		<link>http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/update/#comment-1130</link>
		<dc:creator>Ico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Let&#039;s face it... sexism is everywhere.  It&#039;s alive and well.&quot;

There.  Fixed it for you.

The attitude that any particular --ism is everywhere, and therefore we just have to accept it, is exactly the sort of attitude that helps to maintain the status quo.  And when it&#039;s white women who are directly responsible for acts of racism against WOC--that&#039;s not just a problem of &quot;getting along.&quot;  That&#039;s white women maintaining a hierarchy based on racial privilege in the same way men maintain a hierarchy based on patriarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s face it&#8230; sexism is everywhere.  It&#8217;s alive and well.&#8221;</p>
<p>There.  Fixed it for you.</p>
<p>The attitude that any particular &#8211;ism is everywhere, and therefore we just have to accept it, is exactly the sort of attitude that helps to maintain the status quo.  And when it&#8217;s white women who are directly responsible for acts of racism against WOC&#8211;that&#8217;s not just a problem of &#8220;getting along.&#8221;  That&#8217;s white women maintaining a hierarchy based on racial privilege in the same way men maintain a hierarchy based on patriarchy.</p>
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		<title>By: gen</title>
		<link>http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/update/#comment-1116</link>
		<dc:creator>gen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve stopped caring about the orthodoxy required to be a feminist. ... Probably because of protracted arguments like this one. Let&#039;s face it...racism is everywhere. It&#039;s alive and well. As white women, we have to admit that we&#039;ve benefited from a history that has systematically oppressed everyone and admit that we are oppressed and oppressors. Our loyalties shift. Why? Because everyone who&#039;s not in charge of the pie has an agenda about how they are going to get pie. 

As imperfect, and for some intolerable, as it is to be a member of an alliance of pie scrappers, I think the stakes are too high not to find a way back to each other. I don&#039;t care if we all get along. I just want to stick it to the jerks that have convinced us that fighting over a comic book is somehow akin to real power in the publishing industry or anywhere else for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve stopped caring about the orthodoxy required to be a feminist. &#8230; Probably because of protracted arguments like this one. Let&#8217;s face it&#8230;racism is everywhere. It&#8217;s alive and well. As white women, we have to admit that we&#8217;ve benefited from a history that has systematically oppressed everyone and admit that we are oppressed and oppressors. Our loyalties shift. Why? Because everyone who&#8217;s not in charge of the pie has an agenda about how they are going to get pie. </p>
<p>As imperfect, and for some intolerable, as it is to be a member of an alliance of pie scrappers, I think the stakes are too high not to find a way back to each other. I don&#8217;t care if we all get along. I just want to stick it to the jerks that have convinced us that fighting over a comic book is somehow akin to real power in the publishing industry or anywhere else for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Blackamazon</title>
		<link>http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/update/#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackamazon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a link form here so I wanted to update this . 

The pictures are still in.

It was signed and read at netroots nation

wit peopel who were so conflicted on a panel  telling others how to build community</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a link form here so I wanted to update this . </p>
<p>The pictures are still in.</p>
<p>It was signed and read at netroots nation</p>
<p>wit peopel who were so conflicted on a panel  telling others how to build community</p>
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		<title>By: Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 blog topics of 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 blog topics of 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the heels of the Seal Press girlcott, there was also Amandagate (have I mentioned I hate the use of -gate as a suffix for any scandal?), [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Annika</title>
		<link>http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/update/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>Annika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please copy the following link and paste it in your browser.

http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2008/09/feminism_of_tod</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2008/09/feminism_of_tod" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2008/09/feminism_of_tod</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/update/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog is interesting! 
 
Keep up the good work!</description>
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<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting kerfuffles continue at Seal Press</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting kerfuffles continue at Seal Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] White Feminists, (Quit goddamn fucking up) - Update (many quotes from many different [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ico</title>
		<link>http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/update/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Ico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, Heidi.  I see you have other posts on this -- didn&#039;t notice those before.  Anyway, I left a comment for you at your blog that I will repeat here, &#039;cause I don&#039;t think I&#039;m being clear enough.

We agree that racism is a problem in feminism.  We agree that wrt the Marcotte/Seal Press/Alternet stuff that WOC were treated very badly.  This is part of a pattern, as I have been pointing out.

Here is the part that is most important:

You are part of that pattern.

I am not trying to attack you.  But you keep asking what we can do?  What kind of self examination can we do?  YOU can.  You can start by examining that pattern of white privilege as it manifests in feminist circles.  Where do you fit in there?  In, say, white women writing about WOC on outlets like Alternet?  Calling for unity from our sisters of color who have been routinely dismissed?  Focusing on the division, and not on the racism that has caused that division? 

THIS is the hard part of feminism.  The part where there is fierce resistance.  The part where we have to examine not other people -- because doing that is easy -- but where we have to examine ourselves.  

I haven’t read *all* 268 comments on your article. Actually I’ve only read a handful of them. But after glancing them over, I think they’re actually a pretty good place to see the dismissal of WOC by privileged white feminists. Do you have any way of engaging some of your commenters in conversation? The discussion got pretty heated there, and from the looks of it pretty OT at times (like I said, I only read bits and pieces because wow, that’s a lot of posting). But it looks like a few people are trying to get through and offer some perspectives.

Perhaps you could reach out to some...?  The way to achieve progress on eliminating racism in feminism -- it&#039;s there.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Heidi.  I see you have other posts on this &#8212; didn&#8217;t notice those before.  Anyway, I left a comment for you at your blog that I will repeat here, &#8217;cause I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m being clear enough.</p>
<p>We agree that racism is a problem in feminism.  We agree that wrt the Marcotte/Seal Press/Alternet stuff that WOC were treated very badly.  This is part of a pattern, as I have been pointing out.</p>
<p>Here is the part that is most important:</p>
<p>You are part of that pattern.</p>
<p>I am not trying to attack you.  But you keep asking what we can do?  What kind of self examination can we do?  YOU can.  You can start by examining that pattern of white privilege as it manifests in feminist circles.  Where do you fit in there?  In, say, white women writing about WOC on outlets like Alternet?  Calling for unity from our sisters of color who have been routinely dismissed?  Focusing on the division, and not on the racism that has caused that division? </p>
<p>THIS is the hard part of feminism.  The part where there is fierce resistance.  The part where we have to examine not other people &#8212; because doing that is easy &#8212; but where we have to examine ourselves.  </p>
<p>I haven’t read *all* 268 comments on your article. Actually I’ve only read a handful of them. But after glancing them over, I think they’re actually a pretty good place to see the dismissal of WOC by privileged white feminists. Do you have any way of engaging some of your commenters in conversation? The discussion got pretty heated there, and from the looks of it pretty OT at times (like I said, I only read bits and pieces because wow, that’s a lot of posting). But it looks like a few people are trying to get through and offer some perspectives.</p>
<p>Perhaps you could reach out to some&#8230;?  The way to achieve progress on eliminating racism in feminism &#8212; it&#8217;s there.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo-colonial imagery &#171; The Bead Shop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo-colonial imagery &#171; The Bead Shop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] males are among the most feared, loathed and ridiculed people on the planet, and remembering the rather unfortunate illustrations in Amanda Marcotte&#8217;s book, you really have to [...]</description>
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